Stoibog
Eg more clearly, is when i struggle on a project for school
Research and notes and research and changing stuff
and when i get up, a few hours passed, and im spent
Im laking that dopamine stimulation that would come from a human interaction, validations to keep me afloat
and if i try again, either its grueling, or i can barely sustain it a little more on a low level
Razvan
right
i assume u see the genius here, as unlimited resources is there another characteristic? a different approach? an emotion? a different result?
Stoibog
Hmm
the genius here would be faster integration of information
that too, stamina
or i assume genius is to make sense of the project itelsef
as currently , when i work on something like this, its like i go into a bubble, i pause everything else, life, the planet
genius would have a very grounded reason to be doing what hes doing
not like, i need this grade.
or i have this deadline
Razvan
well pointed out
Stoibog
this is hanging somehwere, this is what i mean for "a context that makes sense"
Razvan
it does make sense. its essential
Stoibog
Genius would know why it needs to be done, would work on it until it’s done and would be able to quickly connect all kinds of dots
Razvan
and besides the limitations in competence./ perrfomance between you and him, how do you think he couldve gotten that meaning?
Stoibog
Self reflection
or self questioning
Razvan
not through which process
whats the difference between state a and state b?
Stoibog
u kick in logic, everything is adding up on paper, then u go and play a game of dota, or five
and the brain is satisfied with the logic, indifferent of the followup
it just wants to know theres a plan in place, then it shuts down the alarms
and since the new found peace, why not dota? why not chill
Razvan
and is creating the illusion of making progress, long term
Stoibog
yeah, and even if its a small step, micro, that calm breaks the alert state
Razvan
erm
thats normal
i think u are putting too many things together
meaning is not related to alertness
lets take it sideways, both you and the genius get the same result, have the same meaning in the now
you lose it after dota, he doesnt
what would explain this?
Stoibog
In my vision, the genius wouldnt play dota
i see that as an avoidance mechanism
outside the context
Razvan
this is also valid
and its great that you can go meta and see it
but
im asking this one concrete exercise
Stoibog
(im cooking meat soup, what do u know about it?)
Razvan
you have the same experience
how do you explain a different result
(i have some experience, but it depends on ur taste)
(taste it often)
(i keep it simple)
(meat > acid - applevinegar, salts, then i chill it and it turns to jelly)
the experience and the plan are the same
u studied then you play dota
Stoibog
(how do u make jelly, gelatin?
Razvan
you go back to studying
(gelatin is animal protein, its in meat , connectivetissue)
(it makes itself)
Stoibog
(how about mixing meats, beef, pork, fish?)
Razvan
(so, tasting is everything, keep tastin it till you feel it. if u dont .. play with plants)
(i dont)
(its possible to require different enzimes and complicate digestion)
(i heard theories, but none i can validate)
(i say dont mix em)
(as one will overpower)
(unless u love the one overpowering)
(and hate the overpowered)
so question stands . everything is the same
how does the genius hold , reconstructs meaning
Stoibog
Magic sauce
what do u think?
Razvan
so u are aware of that meaning. those ideas lose their grip on you
and its not a pathological problem
most people have it > feature
Stoibog
Then what is constant?
If everything loses its taste
Razvan
right , what is constant
human mind cant hold too many things consistently and simultaneously , right?
Stoibog
Yea
Razvan
few concepts
Stoibog
shortcuts
simplifications
Etc
Razvan
so . how can the genius build the same meaning, having the same limitations as you do?
mmm sounds good, simplifications shortcuts, but it doesnt touch the core
Stoibog
its more an issue of process than thinking
action, until the mind catches up
Razvan
obviously
its also in action, but i said u have the same limitations
here, take it differently
theres u (enTP) and theres an isTJ
istju finds his meaning fast whats the difference?
Stoibog
hes structured
Razvan
you are equals, all in all
meaning , to clarify its made up of concepts - words
your limitation as a human, is on concepts/ words maintained simultaneously in awareness
so . how does the istj repair his conceptual meaning faster than u?
Stoibog
Then how do you get rid of wrong concepts?
Or how do u identify wrong concepts in the first place?
Me, not the istj
Razvan
well .. ur getting into the process again. i said u are equals as process goes
its not the process. the meaning has the same quality
Stoibog
Strictly conceptual, how does the man organize their mind?
Razvan
well, the structure makes itself, thats the source of the limitation we talk about
human mind keeps emptying
like RAM
Stoibog
the mind empties and you download from cloud update
Razvan
y
Stoibog
like people
Interactions
Razvan
why some people download something good, others something less good and others dont have what to
Stoibog
and it gets rubbed out because its unused
Razvan
assuming both are aware of what IS good
Stoibog
and u download because u hit obstacles
Yes?
Razvan
yeah
conflict / obstacles
Stoibog
Then how do you find the thing u have to download
i cant figure out
Razvan
right
its in the process of finding the concept u want to download
what would speed up finding it?
Stoibog
A purpose
Razvan
No, the purpose is the same
you can move to software analogy, how do you find something easier in a pile
how do you find a concept in a book
how do you find a word ina dictionary
compare various strategies to reach the result
Stoibog
you look at the contents
And you go around it till you land on the right place
Razvan
ok, so one is to go to contents
there is no limitation or special process, one just has the conviction he holds firm, that theres a content section, and thats the first step
its a prioritization of the concept of content
this is the shortcut
Stoibog
Haa
Razvan
the simplification
Stoibog
Right
So, what worked in the past
Razvan
thats generic, we all go on what worked in the past.. but 'worked' varies
the way a concept got stronger, and it became a priority, its secondary, probably chemical, it happened, it got in
therein lies the weak flexibility of the ISTJ
to be able to use a shortcut, it must give up flexibility
well, the shortcut is inefficient anyway
im not giving a genius as example in this case, where you can have it all (both flex and convictions)
so you got concepts / words, an awareness limitation and shortcuts, prioritization / convictions
these are the keywords
Stoibog
Tru
Razvan
meaning is formed through concepts. ur cognition is limited cant store them, so u have to load the RIGHT concepts to form the meaning
so the essential is to optimize those concepts to a better, core, pure form
obviously not exaggerated simplified , must make sense
minimalism
clear concepts, autonomous, which dont overlap and which are core
where you can build the rest from
so far so good?
the process is made of integrating multiple systems. you mentioned the hardware one, performance, resources etc
abd then comes the integration of the software one, like knowing the language functions, syntax
*thats the priority, that one you access faster
Stoibog
software?
Razvan
people problem is that 1 no one teaches them syntax
software is the system .. u use/apply it anyway
im talking about what you prioritize from it
syntax is obviously essential to code, you build with it, right?
i was saying you dont think about it, its not a system you were putting weight on or you were integrating fully
although its more important than hardware// as it has decent demands
its not really pascal, but it doesnt ask for much
go , check point. wanna reflect back what i wrote above in ur own words?
you can say no
Stoibog
2 sides of people
The resource, body side
The mental, conceptual sode
The better the body works, the more resources are available but if the software/concepts are fucked
The resources are wasted on some bullshit
Most important side is the software
But why does it feel so hard to tweak software?
Razvan
you touched half the problem
Stoibog
Why all the misery when trying to fuck with it?
Razvan
i got into software
should i run it again?
Stoibog
yeah, id like that
Razvan
you got limited resources regarding RAM
you cant keep multiple scripts running
and the functionality has a clear purpose
cause if you could, it would be very inefficient
Stoibog
Tru
Razvan
redundant
youd create so much clutter and mini systems equivalent which would eventually end up in deadends but leave that aside,
you have the premise : your ram is small
so .. how to use it wisely?
when u make a program.. u dont memorize every character
its inefficient, you cant
u dont memorize every word
its inefficient, you cant
you memorize the syntax
the functions, the structures
Stoibog
these are the shortcuts
like archives that unpack everything u need
Razvan
you can say that
but that applies to you, an NT
cause he is competent with his HW intelligences
and it looks like unpacking
for others it might be a limited impossible to finish process
it in itseslf is a thinking process. you rewrite the program
you dont unpack an old program
you write it again, but a bit different
maybe worse, maybe better
but similar
can you reprhase what i just said?
Stoibog
So the limited resources force you to constantly rewrite the soft, neuroplasticity literally rewriting neuronal synapses with small adjustments each time you reinitiate them
Razvan
i dont know about rewriting synapses, i was talking about programs
Stoibog
all to have handy a way to function
Razvan
synapses are coursed, not rewritten
Stoibog
i added it
how some synapses get bolder or some braches die off , unused
Razvan
yup
and considering the broad conceptual world in which we live. they dont strengthen
cause nobody taught us what are the core concepts > the syntax
Stoibog
yes, it writes something new and it erases it just as fast
Razvan
and you basically "google search" and get pieces of code that fit the problem
Stoibog
Tru tru
always fractions
Never big picture
Razvan
thats problem 1,
2nd problem is that by using something, the connection strengthens and you can end up creating aliases, bits of script you keep accessing which are invalid or which you access in the wrong context
these are the main reasons theres so much chaos on the software side
Stoibog
i like u thought about this
Razvan
1 authority on 'software' , philosophy failed
2 education failed also, although it has some essential bits, they are not taught > softskills, nvc
3 conceptual chaos, cognitive >. u cant learn by example, theres no religion framework
4 the imperfection of the mind, which makes up invalid shortcuts or miscategorizes them and eventually misuses them
well, its not the minds imperfection. its doing what it should, its an imperfect script that tgets obsolete
Stoibog
Thats why theres a need for flexibility, to alter whats malfunctioning
Razvan
right
Stoibog
But it becomes more and more difficult, as the glass fills. refference to buddha
Or does it...
Razvan
not really
the difficulty doesnt come from quantity
the difficulty comes from a lack of structure
evidently if there wouldnt be quantity, we wouldnt need syntax
you memorize 10 scripts and u win
so this is what human differences boil down to
there are those which have gathered scripts along their lives, or even wrote them themselves > efficient scripts
which cover the majority of problems, imperfectly of course
and there are those, which get to understand the syntax, and can write on the spot whatever code they need
so the focus with software is on those shortcuts, or on the prioritization of concepts
how thick and battered is the connection
in the given examples, the TJs are the ones with the scripts
TPs are the ones which keep googling cause they understand the imperfection, the chaos and they seek accuracy
Stoibog
Well, then neither is more worthy
Razvan
and Feelers. perceive mostly intuitively, they cant really make hierarchies, priorities/ scripts. they cant efficiently stock data
FP got elements of syntax, they go for precision, FJs got scripts, pretty badly kept and understood
no. each of them is more worthy depending on context. FPs are worthy in a context of understanding new syntax. make work with little. FJs are worthy in a context of learning / teaching and conserving their resources for other things
Stoibog
Yeah tru
But im saying in a universal context
Razvan
in some contexts a TJ can be better than an architect, who knows the syntax perfectly
he has a script, already written, almost if not perfect for A situation
while the architect, he doesnt have a reason to save scripts, as he can write em
worst case scenario > death by timing
with these ideas you have to play a little, convictions / scripts / systems
everything depends on their quality
and now comes the work of making your own syntax
Stoibog
Makes sense
But it begs the question
How do you become an architect
Razvan
right
well first, knowing that you can be one
and understanding what it implies
Stoibog
Time out
Razvan
ok
big progress
the essential has been laid out
Stoibog
if ur architect it means you can build habits easily
or isnt it related with behavior
Razvan
depends what u call "build habits
Stoibog
Keep the hard out of it
like behavioral
Razvan
the condition to form them is to be logical
you cant form something u feel / know will lead to drain
Stoibog
so the architect and the one that builds habits easily are not the same thing.
are these different skills?
Razvan
as architect, u got a much bigger control over the process
well, they are, as every human builds habits
its about their quality and their understanding. the control you have over
after all ,whats a habit?
its another shortcut to fulfill a need
yeah, u gotta differentiate , whats the architects responsibility and whats inner mechanism
hardware or hardcoded
Stoibog
the architect works the code, the habitdude works the hardware
Razvan
dunno if "work" is the word
same scripts get saved with usage, the same with habits. its a default function of the system, to optimize the process.
u need x, do y. or do y, so ur prevented from needing x
Stoibog
K lemme think it over
talk to u in the evening
Razvan
yes, think it over. think how we think now
its basically code we wrote together
Stoibog
gotta run errands
Razvan
u can extract different pieces of code, and save em somewhere. literally txt
to be able to access
till your body saves them, integrates them
the process takes time, ull get natural resets
be prepared to lose focus
)
long term expectations, not short
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